Is there some impulse for self-destruction among New York teams? First the Jets willfully bring in Tim Tebow and pretty much blow up the Tannenbaum-Ryan era. For what?

Now the Mets’ Sandy Alderson is throwing around coy hints that he might trade R.A. Dickey for some younger talent.

Let me drop a few names, before Alderson's time, to be sure:  Joe Foy. Jim Fregosi. Mo Vaughn.

The Mets don’t have much – won’t have much for a long time – but the last time I looked they were using the golden images of David Wright and R.A. Dickey every half inning on television to thank the fans for their support.

Not only that, but whenever anything was happening around the Mets – good or bad – the visual of the dugout showed the 38-year-old knuckleballer right in the middle of it, the adult in the room, always positive, always there. A guy who played every fifth day is the heart and soul of this team.

Did I mention that Dickey won 20 games and the Cy Young Award with a pitch that he could conceivably still be floating toward home plate for three-four-five years?

And when he cannot pitch, and is doing all the family-religious-charity-academic-travel-writer things he wants to do, Dickey should be given a permanent position – chaplain, dugout coach, honorary uncle, spring-training guru, whatever he wants.

I understand the general manager’s tropism for negotiating contracts. It’s what they do. Feint a trade and save the House of Wilpon a few million. Fine. They need it. But the process is so undignifid that the Mets could actually botch their relationship with a very good pitcher who knows he will never have a better gig than in Queens.

I am confident the Mets could mess it up.
Two more words for them. Tim Tebow.

 


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11/16/2012 5:23pm

Of all the NY teams, the Knicks appear to be moving in the right direction. Retaining Coach Wooden, probably by default rather than any rational thought, has Carmelo Anthony acting like a teammate.

Six games do not make a season, but Coach Wooden may succeed where more high-profile coaches have failed.

Today's NY Times reported on the global effort of the world soccer community to save Spain's Real Oviedo FC from financial disaster.

w.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/sports/soccer/last-ditch-effort-to-save-real-oviedo-soccer-club-sweeps-globe.html?ref=soccer

I purchased four shares to be part of something terrific. It appears that the team will be saved.

The Met's and Jet's management are beyound any help from a fan bailout as it is more a problem of judgement.

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Brian Savin
11/16/2012 8:13pm

Every NY team has a different fatal issue, except the Giants. I (still) predict the Mets will dissolve and their assets will be distributed within a very, very few years. I'm heartbroken, but convinced there is no hope.

No fan money matters, I suspect. My barber for many years, an Englishman, bought non-voting shares of Manchester United for the same reason, but it took big time U.S. bailout/investment money to save the team (I still don't understand their problems).

The Mets might as well trade their assets and speed the process of dissolution along. I've given up hope; I want an end to suffering.

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Ed Martin
11/16/2012 10:48pm

George, is there such a thing as being more than 100 percent right?
beside the extra fans that will come to a Dickey start home and road. ( the mets know this, they can add ), there is the huge harder to measure impact on fan loyalty and identification with the team. With attendance in decline this would be a horrific mistake causing decline in trust in owners and management when they are trying to regain that trust post Madoff.

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11/17/2012 8:34am

This a conversation right out of a Leave it to Beaver episode, and you, George, can play the role of "Golly Wally." Hero worship is dead. Free agency did that. Marvin Miller and the players did that. We root for the uniform now, exclusively.

R.A. Dickey is a nice guy. The fact is, he wasn't selling tickets until this past season. Let's get that straight right from the top. One season is all you're going on. And late in that season, hitters were altering their approach (and finding slightly more success) against the hard knuckler.

You have some nerve to mention Jim Fregosi, as if 1. Alderson would trade this commodity for an old-timer just to play him out of position in a new league and 2. That Dickey has the same upside as Nolan Ryan. Seriously, George? That's a valid argument in this instance? No, it's not. Your bunched panties are showing.

Deal Dickey and deal Wright while they're still worth a boatload of solid prospects to some idiot GM.

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George Vecsey
11/17/2012 10:32am

Charlie, thanks, everything you say is reasonable -- well, my panties aren't all that bunched -- but my bigger point is that the Mets need some continuity from good players of proven character.
I'm not naive. I still remember my friend Al Campanis telling me, in effect, "We love Garv. We want Garv back. We just don't want to pay what Garv can get elsewhere." I know that makes sense. But I think the Mets need to keep some identity. Nice comment. GV

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11/17/2012 5:14pm

George, I appreciate the issue of continuity, especially for the younger members of the fan base. There's a bigger issue, in my opinion. The Wilpons, through their own mismanagement, have changed the business model. If the Mets are going to go on the cheap, they can still compete only when they can produce and export talent. As of now, they have as many minor league teams as anyone in the majors. That tells me that a long-range plan is in motion. The addition of Grade-A prospects in conjunction with the removal of potential roadblocks to further player development (let's face it - Dickey and Wright can easily become Santana and Bay, they too both wonderful people, dressed as albatrosses) cuts off any hub-bub at the pass. And let's not forget that Dickey and Thole are a package deal, and Josh Thole is a new-age Mackey Sasser.

You want continuity? Here's some familiar faces - Ike Davis, Dillon Gee, Jon Neise, Dan Murphy, Justin Turner. The 2013 public message needs to be "We're rebuilding. Get over it."

Ed Martin
11/17/2012 11:06am

"Blessed are the peacemakers...". Nice reply, Geo.

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11/17/2012 12:24pm

There is merit on both sides. Some general managers, as Charlie suggests, sell their talent when they are on the rise and bring in younger players with potential. This concept is discussed in "Soccernomics: Why England Loses, Why Germany and Brazil Win and why the U.S., Japan, Australia, Turkey--and even Iraq--Are Destined to Become the Kings of the World's Most Popular Sport". The French premier league, Nice FC, is very profitable by their practice of selling for high transfer fees and buying low.

Conversely, there is merit to having players who contribute to a team's chemistry. There have been so many instances of teams losing there focus after a "minor player". The positive effect of club house chemistry is grossly under rated.


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Alfredo Garcia
11/17/2012 4:10pm

Nice blog you have here. Just wondering--why can't NY Times sports writers vote for awards like the Cy Young award? That's strange, the NY Daily News and the NY Post writers can. Could you at least vote for people to Baseball's Hall of Fame? Thanks.

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George Vecsey
11/18/2012 7:46am

Dear Mr. Garcia: Thanks for finding it. I'm mostly retired, and don't speak for the NYT in any way, but having worked there a long time, I think it's a good policy. None of their critics vote for awards in their disciplines -- theatre, movies, etc. They don't want their people to be part of the story. And in sports, that happens -- people know who voted for whom. The NYT wants reporters to report and columnists to have opinions but not get in the firing line for taking a vote that could be brave or stupid or enlightened. I've seen it -- colleagues from other papers who make a bold MVP or Cy Young vote. It keeps us on the side of covering but not making news. Thanks for asking. GV

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Altenir Silva
11/21/2012 1:13pm

Dear George,

How're you? I hope very well.

It's globalization: Neymar (player of Brazil), in the MetLife Stadium made one field goal - when he was trying to kick an penalty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj5chUdyI1E

Happy Thanksgiving for you!

Best - Altenir Silva (from Rio de Janeiro)

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George Vecsey
11/21/2012 3:43pm

Dear Altenir:
Nós todos sabemos Neymar aqui.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-11-14/news/35116811_1_brazil-struggles-mano-menezes-kaka

muito obrigado..George

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11/21/2012 4:38pm

George

Can Weebly do anything about making links in the replies active?

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george vecsey
11/21/2012 7:19pm

Alan, as of now, I don't see a way to make the links active., I'm still learning rudimentary weebly.
I think the solution is to copy and paste. the link I sent my friend Altenir is from the nice piece Filip Bondy did in the Daily News when Brazil was in NJ the other day. I got the link on my Musial essay (above) in the normal way, copying an active link and pasting it. The function on the New Post section seems to be different from the Coimment/Reply section. But what do I know? GV

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Altenir Silva
11/21/2012 8:37pm

Dear George,

I read the article of Daily News by Filip Bondy. I think he's right. By the way, the Brazil has some good players, but they're not working well as a team.

Best - Altenir Silva

Mendel
11/24/2012 2:11pm

Mr. Vecsey,
I could not agree more. It seems every time my kids get to know a Met he's gone.

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Brian Lokker
12/11/2012 8:17am

Excellent column. I discovered it late, but I agree with you completely. (Of course, Dickey may be traded by the time this is published -- right after he plays an elf for the Mets in one of their community Christmas outreaches this morning.)

As an older fan who has followed and supported the Mets since the beginning, I suppose part of my desire to see the Mets keep Dickey is nostalgia for the pre-free agency days, when the players themselves, not just the uniforms, were the team. But more than that, I do see him as an important, positive force for the Mets at a time when they need all the positives they can get. (Well, I guess where the Mets are concerned, that's always.)

I like Santana too, of course, and Pedro was fun, but Dickey is the first Mets pitcher since Doc whose starts I make a special effort to see. My sons and I were fortunate to see him pitch in person four times in 2011 (out of six games we attended -- just the luck of the draw), and we've been major R.A. fans well before his Cy Young Award.

Dickey's strength of character and his unique story resonate with many fans: even one of my friends who is a life-long Yankees fan made a special effort to get a signed copy of his book. And let's not forget that Dickey's resurrection occurred with the Mets, so that unique story is a Mets story too. With his superb pitching -- over the last several seasons, not just 2012 -- he is a Mets treasure and should not be discarded for unknown quantities, especially given the Mets' history in such matters. He should be a Met until he retires, and as you say, beyond.

I hope the Wilpons read your column (why wouldn't they?) and take your advice on this one. Rebuild the team, but keep Dickey at its core.

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George Vecsey
12/14/2012 10:38am

Dear Mr. Lokker, and others: I don't know if the House of Wilpon is aware of my little site here, but I do know them enough to be aware of their strong sense of family.
I also know R.A. Dickey a little bit, plus I used to live and work in his part of the world. You never want to underestimate the southern sense of pride beneath that very real layer of humility.
Dickey said the other day that he cannot help but take it personally when he is left to dangle like this. If I could offer the House of Wilpon a bit of advice, it would be -- don't abuse the loyalty of a really good man and asset to your team, like Dickey. GV

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