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Pete Reiser
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Conrado Marrero
I love the National Baseball Hall of Fame. I love the concept, the site in beautiful Cooperstown, N.Y. and the people who run it. I am sorry they will have no new living members to induct this year, but that will take care of itself soon enough.

There is another baseball shrine -- and Buck O’Neill, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Marvin Miller are already members.

It is the Baseball Reliquary, based in Southern California, and also a state of mind that honors great characters of baseball. I don’t see the Reliquary as a threat or protest toward the Hall of Fame, but any shrine that includes female umpires and flash-in-the-pan players and pioneer mascots deserves its own separate place in this huge complicated world.

Here is a column I wrote in 2009 when Steve Dalkowski – whom I once saw strike out Roger Maris in a spring training game – was to be inducted into the Reliquary:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/sports/baseball/19vecsey.html?_r=0

Maris is also in the Reliquary for hitting 61 homers in 1961, long before the steroid generation.

Curt Flood, Pam Postema, Roger Angell and Ted Giannoulas, the great Chicken, are among 42 members of the Reliquary.

Voting is open again, not confined to baseball writers but open to anybody who pays $25 dues.

I cannot vouch for the Reliquary or tell you if $25 is a good investment. However, for that membership, you can vote for candidates who, in their own individualistic ways, contributed to the sport, including Conrado Marrero, Lisa Fernandez, Ernie Harwell and Pete Reiser and 46 other candidates.

Their very names make me feel warm all over, like dreaming of pitchers and catchers and the first day of spring training.

Here is the Reliquary web site and the current candidates:

http://www.baseballreliquary.org/candidates2013.htm.

Nothing against the Baseball Hall of Fame. Just different.  

Your comments are always welcome.

 


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Ed Martin
01/16/2013 7:31pm

I wonder if Eddie Basinski, (The Violin), who played shortstop for the Dodgers during WWII, or Eddie Miksis, (Miksis will fix us), who played second are in.

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04/29/2013 12:52pm

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George Vecsey
01/16/2013 8:23pm

Ed: Maybe Basinski is in the Hall of Fame for the Buffalo Symphony Orch. Full list of Reliquary on the web site. GV

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Ed Martin
01/16/2013 11:30pm

I will research the Buffalo Symphony. Thanks for the lead. I saw Pete Reiser in 1946, his first year back from the War and he stole 34 bases and hit .278. The three prewar years he hit over .300 even after hitting the fence so sadly. His last year as essentially a full time player was in 1947, when he hit over .300 in 122 games. The Dodgers never could fill the left field position satisfactorily while in Brooklyn.

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Brian Savin
01/16/2013 11:34pm

Which memory is most worth $25 for me?

-- Ryne Duran striking out seven in a row and not understanding as a kid his feat of overpowering strength was powered mostly by his reputation as a blind alcoholic?

-- Marvelous Marv Throneberry, hitting an inside the park "homer" at the Polo Grounds and not touching a base other than home plate (I think he got that one)?

--Jim Hickman, for the hope he gave young Metropolitan fans that this would be the one in 30 games he would power another late inning home to give the Mets at least a temporary comeback lead?

-- Warren Spahn, for the seemingly many times he would be matched up against Yankee-Killer Sandy Koufax and every so often (but not regularly) reaffirm of greatness of the Old Guard versus that damn young wipper-snapper?

-- Coco Crisp, as the best player I ever saw play in Connecticut?

These are not proper memories for a "reliquary;" these belong in something more.....say, a "Chasse."

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George Vecsey
01/17/2013 8:26am

Brian: There is already a Connecticut guy in the Reliquary -- Dalkowski.
And Hickman hit a triple, not a homer. (Cookie Lavagetto -- now there is a name from the past -- was the 3B coach who got the word from the ump that Marv had missed first as well as second, and Cookie told Casey.)
Duren became a valuable alcoholism counselor and speaker. Had a wonderful last two decades. GV

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Ed Martin
01/17/2013 3:51pm

Cookie Lavagetto--he should be considered for his big play.
Came up as a pinch-hitter in game four of the 1947 World Series as a Dodger and broke up Floyd "Bill" Bevan's of the Yank's no-hitter.
Yanks won Series. So it goes.

Roy Edelsack
01/17/2013 8:40am

Wow, talk about having the wind taken out of my sails. I just deleted an indignant comment complaining that Jim Bouton was in the "Reliquary" but Jim Brosnan wasn't except that I'm wrong. Brosnan was inducted in 2007. Does anyone read "The Long Season," or "Pennant Race" anymore?

I'm voting for Rocky Colavito. Other than Clemente he had the best RF arm I've ever seen. Trading him for Harvey Kuenn was a bad deal on the level of the time the Mets traded Nolan Ryan for the musical comedy star Eddie Foy, Jr. (my memory might be faulty on this point).

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Brian Savin
01/17/2013 10:36am

Another great memory, Roy! I remember the Sports Illustrated cover about that trade better than any swimsuit issue -- the two of them, with the caption something like, "Homers vs. Hits" and the article devoted to analyzing the worth of homers versus many singles. I don't remember a lot being written there about defense, come to think of it.

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Mike C
01/17/2013 2:00pm

Bo knows and gets my vote, once I cough up the $25.......an amazing athlete who tried to make it work after the surgery. No Neon Deion, thank goodness.
Tug (RIP), Zim, and the real Joe Pepitone round out the picks.

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Ed Martin
01/18/2013 11:39am

For his name alone, Frenchy Bordagaray should be in. Further, he was from California. I recall him as a third base coach for Brooklyn, and doing things like catching pop flies in his hat during batting practice. This quote is from his obit. In the NYT.
Bordagaray debuted in the major leagues with the Chicago White Sox in 1934 and joined the Dodgers the following season. When he arrived at spring training in Daytona Beach, Fla., in 1936, he stunned the baseball world by wearing a mustache and goatee. The mustache was grown the previous winter for a bit part in the Hollywood movie ''The Prisoner of Shark Island,'' an account of the jailing of Dr. Samuel Mudd for complicity in the assassination of Lincoln.
Casey said to him if there is going to be a clown on this team it will be me.

Apologies for over commenting, it came to me in the middle of the night.

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01/18/2013 2:20pm

Ed

Showers and the middle of the night are the best sources of inspiration.

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George Vecsey
01/18/2013 2:55pm

When Piersall hit his 100th HR, he ran the bases backwards.
And was dismissed.
Casey said, "There's only one clown in this circus."
GV

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01/18/2013 3:08pm

George’s piece on the issue of voting for Baseball’s Hall of Fame have drawn many interesting comments and suggestions. However, alternate baseball shrines have a greater appeal to me.

I had not heard of the Baseball Reliquary, but it addresses what I enjoy most about baseball—our memories. It was not important if any of the plays were made by HOF worthy players.

The comments in this topic are continually bringing back old memories. There was another baseball topic in last year’s blog that triggered about 60 responses, all interesting stuff from the past.

I swim every morning for about a half an hour and there is nothing else to do except think. In the tradition of Ed Martin’s source of new ideas at odd times, I am suggesting that a “George Vecsey and Friends Baseball Hall of Memories” be established. The only criteria should be enjoyment of the moment and not the caliber of the players.

My wife always asks, “How can you remember things that happened 60 and 70 years ago, but have to make a shopping list for three items?” It seems perfectly normal to me. Memories are always there waiting to be triggered, but I do not want to go back to the store for something needed for dinner that I forgot.

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bruce picken
01/19/2013 8:19pm

george,

just read stan the man died.

too bad. not too many of his generation still around.

cheers,

bruce

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Andy Tansey
01/19/2013 8:48pm

Yes, re: Stash. Hat's off and sympathies to those who knew him well. I was glad to read the book while he was still with us and, though a Yankees fan - that's right, glad the Cards won a couple of times lately.

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01/20/2013 9:12pm

I live in Southern California and have been a member of the Baseball Reliquary for a few years now. Wish I would have discovered years earlier. Really enjoy all the events that the Baseball Reliquary puts together with the annual Shrine of the Eternals being the icing on the cake. A friend of mine that lives in Maine became a member last year. From the list of 50 eligible in 2013, I would like to see Don Zimmer, Tony Stone, Steve Bilko & Manny Mota inducted but there are so many.

Arnold Hano received the Hilda Chester award last year. I emailed back to Terry "Hilda was turning on her grave" He used that on his introduction to Arnold. I also said Arnold was a good choice even if he hates the Dodgers. He loves Vin Scully though.
-Emma

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George Vecsey
01/20/2013 10:53pm

Emma: Nice to hear from you. Hano wrote a lovely piece after Willie Mays' catch in 1954. I wrote about it on the 50th anniversary:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/29/sports/baseball/29vecsey.html?_r=0

He's a big-timer. GV

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03/06/2013 6:01am

Very well written, I’m glad I stumbled onto this. My friend and I were just having a similar disussion the other day.

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03/20/2013 2:44am

I also love the National Baseball Hall of Fame because it reminds us how talented those men were. It's a pity we don't have them amongst us anymore...

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03/20/2013 2:47am

Those people deserve to be treated well for what they've done so I think that we should show them some respect.

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Another great memory, Roy! I remember the Sports Illustrated cover about that trade better than any swimsuit issue

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Memories are always there waiting to be triggered, but I do not want to go back to the store for something needed for dinner that I forgot.

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