It used to be so simple. Hate Walter O’Malley for moving the Dodgers from Bedford Ave, Brooklyn, to Chavez Ravine. That’s how it was when I was 19 and the Dodgers went away. My friend Steve Jacobson, the great sports columnist at Newsday, recalls being on army duty in the U.S. and seeing a New York paper – Dodgers to LA -- bad news on the doorstep. Steve remembers throwing some of his gear around the bunk – no sergeants lurking, apparently. This angst was followed by a generation of New York sportswriters ---Dick Young of the Daily News, the giant who covered the Bums, who whipped up communal hatred. But there is another way to look at it: without the O’Malley family packing Reese and Hodges and Furillo and Snider and Erskine and Newcombe and that young Koufax prospect – plus, without the Stonehams taking Willie away -- there would not have been this gaping hole in life in New York, to be filled by the Mets. It all comes back to me this week, with the Dodgers of Los Angeles playing the Mets of New York for the National League pennant. I cannot hate the Dodgers. In fact, just seeing their home-white uniforms with the blue letters and numbers gives me a swell of nostalgia. The Dodgers opened the best-of-seven series Sunday evening in the hillside holler where Mexican immigrants used to camp. The Dodgers won, 9-0, but are dangerously low on healthy starters, and the Mets tied up the series Sunday with a 7-3 victory. My rooting for the Mets may yet have some success. I can root but I cannot hate, I came to realize life was complex was in the mid-60s, on my first trip to Dodger Stadium as a sports reporter for Newsday. I settled into the pressbox and looked at the purple mountains in the north, and the pastel colors of the ballpark nestled in the hillside. A sedate lady played the organ – songs with cowboy themes and Latino themes, of this brave new world. It was downright pretty, and I smiled and thought to myself, “Of course. Who wouldn’t? Plus, the bumblers in New York had blown every opportunity to pay to keep the Dodgers in Brooklyn or Queens. Of course, the Dodgers and Giants moved west. And of course, they took Roger Kahn’s “Boys of Summer,” however wobbly and grizzled, out to California. Things changed. This is not your grandfather’s Dodger Stadium. I was reminded of this Sunday evening as I did the New York Smart Thing and watched the game on mute and listened to Howie Rose broadcast the game on AM radio. (Network baseball is to be avoided, even if the action comes onto the tube a full 15 seconds after it emerges from the radio. To paraphrase Casey Stengel, “Why wouldn’t ya wanna listen to a guy who’s been following the Mets since their earliest years?”) Howie Rose – who is having one of his great seasons, describing the glories of Lindor and Co. -- waxed nostalgic about the sweet feel to Chavez when he was a lad, traveling with the Mets, and how nice the organ music was, and how invasive the current system is. Why, he said, you (in the East) can probably hear the blare coming out of the speakers around the ballpark. Then Howie launched into a sweet monologue about his earliest years traveling with the Mets, and how the traveling band of NYNY broadcasters and writers paid homage to the Fordham kid, who had become a suave institution in the broadcast booth. Howie recalled how Vin Scully (who passed two years ago) would greet callers in his booth, pre-game, and how he would inquire about life back East: how’s the family, how’s so-and-so? Scully knew the name of the cleaning lady who worked the broadcast booth, Howie continued. Knew the name of her husband. Knew the names of her kids. Scully was a mensch, Howie suggested. A lot of people moved west with the Dodgers. I have another reason to care about that team. In 1980, I signed on to write a book with Bob Welch, the fireballing right-hander who had saved his life by going to alcoholism rehab the previous winter. Via my association with Bob Welch, I got to know the Dodgers of the early 80s – Al Campanis, the general manager, Tom Lasorda, the manager, a concessions manager, a road secretary, a trainer, a clubhouse man, Dusty Baker, Rick Sutcliffe, Steve Garvey, Rick Hunnicut, the pitcher with a thumb tack in his glove. And the great Don Newcombe, who as a Dodger official, had sobered up on his own, years earlier, and later hawked Bob Welch into going to rehab. So there is a direct line from the Dodgers I saw in my first game in Ebbets Field in 1946 – when my sportswriter father took me to the pressbox, pre-game. Many Dodger numbers have been retired or reserved, out of respect. But other current numbers jar me into nostalgia. For example, Kiké Hernández, who hit a home run Sunday evening, wears No. 8. That reminds me of two earlier Dodgers – George Shuba, one of Kahn’s “Boys of Summer,” and later a pal of mine, plus John Roseboro, the stalwart catcher in Brooklyn and LA, who got hit on the head with a bat by Juan Marichal in that epic 1965 brawl. Then there is No. 17, currently worn by Shohei Ohtani, the Japanese one-of-a-kind unicorn, who hits and pitches in Ruthian fashion, and wears No, 17, once graced by Carl Erskine, the stylish pitcher who died at 97 this past April. The seasons and the generations overlap in Chavez Ravine. I am long retired, allowed to root. I hope Sugar Diaz will get sorted out, and Pete Alonso will figure out the mysteries of the slider. But I grew up watching the Brooklyn Dodgers...and that never goes away. *** (The ripoff at Chavez Ravine. Ry Cooder put a melancholy touch on it:)
Sid Holtzer
10/14/2024 02:36:04 pm
George, you brought tears to my eyes.
GV
10/14/2024 02:47:32 pm
Sid, great to hear from you, Those post-war Dodgers are still gods to me. My first game 1946 -- Joe Hatten Dixie Walker, Bruce Edwards. Forty years later I was at a reception for old Dodgers and there was Al Gionfriddo, the guy who robbed DiMag....He was like 5-foot-7 but to me he was a giant, Which reminds me of meeting a table full of od NY GIants (guys I hated from my first game at the PG, 1948) But Dusty Rhodes and Sal Yvars were as cool as any old BB player, And Bobby Thomson was great...nicest guy, Taught me something about holding on to old sports grudges, Be well, your high school classmate says hello, GV
Randolph
10/14/2024 02:37:24 pm
George,
GV
10/16/2024 04:44:01 pm
Randy, my Appalachian buddy, and all the others who have responded: thanks so much.
Marty Appel
10/14/2024 03:11:48 pm
A beautiful column, George. I was 9 when the Dodgers and Giants moved, and I was already a Yankees fan (although born in Bklyn), but I see Brooklyn in those uniforms too. The whitest white on earth. And the great link between the Dodgers and the Mets was Gil Hodges, of whom all the '69 Mets still speak lovingly. I hope the Mets do not go quietly, their fans deserve a robust October. But a Yankee-Dodger World Series? Let the nostalgia roll on and more Vecsey columns flow.
Alan D. Levine
10/14/2024 03:12:02 pm
I used to wonder if I would have been a Dodgers fan if my father had been successful in getting us to the game at Ebbets Field on Labor Day morning in 1947. However, the management had oversold the park, so we left as a near riot ensued. So I became a Yankee fan and remained so until 1964 when they dissed Yogi for the first time. By 1966 I was a full-fledged Mets addict and have remained so.
GV
10/16/2024 04:47:20 pm
Alan, I do think it's a different time....people want to be part of the act...I remember my Newsday boss, Jack Mann, covering the Mets' first trip to Dodger Stadium, and mocking the fans for having Vin Scully teach them baseball, on radios around the ball park -- and other "fans" who began to drive home to beat the traffic in the seventh inning. That was then. The fans have a tradition now. GV
Irnie Sollinger
10/14/2024 03:39:43 pm
You are a SAGE!
LONNIE SHALTON
10/14/2024 03:45:25 pm
Big week for the boroughs of NY. Yankees (Bronx), Mets (Queens) and Dodgers (Brooklyn). Cleveland will have to stand in for Manhattan (Polo Grounds where Willie made the catch against Cleveland).
Marty Appel
10/14/2024 04:58:07 pm
ss.
Altenir Silva
10/14/2024 07:27:59 pm
Dear George: In Brazil, there is an old saying that goes, "If you love it, let it go." It's very complicated, but a lovely sentiment that works for many, though not for everyone. Thanks for sharing these great and emotional stories. And what a wonderful song. I can imagine how hard it must have been for all the Brooklyn Dodgers fans to see the team leave.
GV
10/16/2024 04:51:10 pm
It was wrenching,...In my first years at Newsday -- summer intern or fulltime -- 58-61, I was sometimes assigned to write a baseball roundup long after midnight, NY time....and I can remember writing a best-of-times, worst-of-times paragraph that "The Dodgers are winning; the Dodgers are in Los Angeles." They took our team, That changed in 1962.
Ken Mosca
10/14/2024 07:57:02 pm
Hello Mr. Vecsey. Your brother Peter shared this with me a short time ago. My parents were from Brooklyn and moved to the Atlantic City area when they were married in 1955. Both loved the Brooklyn Dodgers. I am a lifelong Mets fan and at 64 years of age regardless of the circumstances I being a Mets fan is special. Your column reminds me of how special, and how special the Brooklyn and baseball were in their youth. I wish they were still here to share this with them. They would have really enjoyed reading this. Thank you sir.
Michael
10/14/2024 08:19:25 pm
George. Your brother and my dear friend shared this with me
Josh Rubin
10/14/2024 09:51:57 pm
About 2-3 years ago our next door neighbor in Brooklyn, Mrs. Murphy, passed. I knew when hear hearing went bad because i could hear thecMets on her TV if i opened my window. And i knew she was not well when I stopped hearing the Mets from her TV. And i got to hear her curse O'Malley more than a few times over the years we were neighbors. Here's hoping the Mets get it done for her this time.
GV
10/16/2024 04:52:49 pm
So many people can still recall the feel when the Dodgers and Giants were playing in NY....same league. It's still kicking around...GV 10/14/2024 10:03:51 pm
George, I enjoyed reading your wonderful piece about growing up as an inveterate Brooklyn Dodgers fan in Queens during the 1950’s!
GV
10/16/2024 04:55:47 pm
Jerry, as an all-conference shortstop at Hofstra, you should have gotten a better look from the pros. (I note that two of your teammates, Dennis D'Oca and John Ayres, have also written a note here.) And your teammate Brant Alyea, recently RIP, did play in the majors, making al off us happy and proud, GV
bruce
10/14/2024 11:07:32 pm
george,
Ed Martin
10/15/2024 12:47:29 pm
“Oh give me the moon over Brooklyn,
GV
10/16/2024 04:58:16 pm
Ed, I came up with a mysterious cold during the first playoff, and accompanied my father on his side job with driving around with special delivery mail. We listened to the last innings, cooping in the parking lot at Cunningham Park in Queens.. "wait til next year." Our slogan, GV
ken Iscol
10/15/2024 12:59:18 pm
Hey George.
GV
10/16/2024 05:07:08 pm
Ken, nice to know that about your mom.
Phyllis Rosenthal
10/15/2024 02:16:12 pm
I was moved from Brooklyn to Queens when I was just 7. I remember, however , that most of my neighbors in "the Country", Flushing, were from Brooklyn too. They were cheering the Dodgers, so i began watching the end of the games on our 10" black and white telly, when I got home from school. How wonderful was that UNTIL they MOVED.
GV
10/16/2024 05:10:07 pm
Phyllis, you are a great fan....with your revolving cast of Mets pals.
Dennis D’Oca
10/15/2024 05:54:03 pm
George you brought back great memories. I remember walking home from school in the 50’s and turning down my street where everyone was on the stoop listening to the Word Series. You could hear the echo of cheers from the game. It was like you were in the stands.
GV
10/16/2024 05:13:57 pm
Dennis -- you led the NCAA in earned-run average in 1960, right?
John Ayres
10/15/2024 09:21:45 pm
Great stuff.... Makes me wish I grew up in Brooklyn!
GV
10/16/2024 05:15:50 pm
John, as a pitcher with the Hofstra team, you must have heard all kinds of anguish from childhood Brooklyn fans....It rubbed off, right? Nice to hear from you. GV
Alan D. Levine
10/17/2024 12:31:29 pm
George, we've had this discussion before. Our memories differ. I distinctly remember that we were taking a chartered bus, driven by a man named Louie Oppenheimer, to and from Halsey in the Fall of 1951. I was rooting for the Giants in the playoffs and told you I would bring you a crying towel if the Dodgers lost. I did that the following day, featuring a stick figure Bobby Thomson hitting the "Home Run Heard 'Round the World." 10/18/2024 08:37:42 am
George....I so love this column and in some ways feel I could change the names, dates, places and it would be part of my own story. At the same age of your bitter disappointment, I was a wide-eyed teenager enthralled with the idea of big league baseball coming to Baltimore. I had been in love with the game long enough to know all about Ersk, Newt, Gil, Campy, Pee Wee. Thanks to being around the minor league O's I had seen Jackie play for Montreal when Alston was the manager, Lasorda a struggling pitcher and, yes, I even remember Shuba, along with Connors, the gunslinging first baseman.
GV
10/21/2024 05:01:20 pm
Jim, thank you for the beautiful note. I think it would be hard to cover a ball club without developing and keeping a respect for some/many of the players. There is so much failure in baseball -- and we are around it -- it's not quite like being a fan. It's also admiration. I've been around a few performers...and I got a thrill seeing them go out in public and give a show, while I knew the uneven lives they led. Yet they hit home runs often enough. We worked the same years -- I saw young Brooks...and later as a reporter I saw Frank Robinson and Jim Palmer...and guys who did not have Hall of Fame careers but admirable people nonetheless...Baltimore's Ron Swoboda...Ed Charles...Steve Hamilton....Bill Robinson....We were lucky to watch succeed...and fail....in bright lights. Great to hear from an esteemed colleague. GV
Michael Green
10/20/2024 09:19:33 pm
Great piece, and thank you. My mother was born in Flatbush in 1941. The family moved to New Jersey and then moved to LA in 1956. She said the Dodgers moved because they couldn't survive back east without her. So if you all want to blame my family ....
GV
10/21/2024 05:11:31 pm
Dear Michael Green: Lot of reasons for migrating west. I spent a lot of time in LA and SF....and contemplated life out there...Those early years in Dodger Stadium typified the "laid-back" stereotype...but TV encouraged fans to participate in the sport. I loved the organ playing in the early decades out there...as I liked an old lady named Gladys Gooding in Ebbets Field (and Madison Square Garden). You have identified why I don't go to the ball park (I call it New Shea) -- the fans consider themselves part of the show. signs, costumes, constant being picked up on TV, even dogs in the stands for goodness' sakes. Game is better on TV...partiularly with Mets broadcasters Cohen Hernandez &Darling,and Howie Rose on the radio. I love watching patient fans in Cincinnati and Pittburgh....cities I know....And fun to see obstreperous Mets fans all over the league.
Robert B Marston
10/27/2024 03:10:21 pm
Dear George—I hope this note finds you well. I am the son of Bob Marston, your Hofstra classmate, who died in July. I saw your warm comment remembering him here:
GV
10/28/2024 07:52:18 pm
Dear Robert Marston Jr: Thanks for noticing my salute to your dad.
Robert B Marston
10/31/2024 09:12:31 am
Thank you! I appreciate it.
Mort Zachter
10/30/2024 06:26:17 pm
The Dodgers moved the year I was born and I was always a Mets fan with a longing to have attended a game at Ebbets Field. Comments are closed.
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