I love the National Baseball Hall of Fame. I love the concept, the site in beautiful Cooperstown, N.Y. and the people who run it. I am sorry they will have no new living members to induct this year, but that will take care of itself soon enough.
There is another baseball shrine -- and Buck O’Neill, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Marvin Miller are already members. It is the Baseball Reliquary, based in Southern California, and also a state of mind that honors great characters of baseball. I don’t see the Reliquary as a threat or protest toward the Hall of Fame, but any shrine that includes female umpires and flash-in-the-pan players and pioneer mascots deserves its own separate place in this huge complicated world. Here is a column I wrote in 2009 when Steve Dalkowski – whom I once saw strike out Roger Maris in a spring training game – was to be inducted into the Reliquary: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/sports/baseball/19vecsey.html?_r=0 Maris is also in the Reliquary for hitting 61 homers in 1961, long before the steroid generation. Curt Flood, Pam Postema, Roger Angell and Ted Giannoulas, the great Chicken, are among 42 members of the Reliquary. Voting is open again, not confined to baseball writers but open to anybody who pays $25 dues. I cannot vouch for the Reliquary or tell you if $25 is a good investment. However, for that membership, you can vote for candidates who, in their own individualistic ways, contributed to the sport, including Conrado Marrero, Lisa Fernandez, Ernie Harwell and Pete Reiser and 46 other candidates. Their very names make me feel warm all over, like dreaming of pitchers and catchers and the first day of spring training. Here is the Reliquary web site and the current candidates: http://www.baseballreliquary.org/candidates2013.htm. Nothing against the Baseball Hall of Fame. Just different. Your comments are always welcome.
Ed Martin
1/16/2013 11:31:22 am
I wonder if Eddie Basinski, (The Violin), who played shortstop for the Dodgers during WWII, or Eddie Miksis, (Miksis will fix us), who played second are in. 4/29/2013 05:52:19 am
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1/16/2013 12:23:46 pm
Ed: Maybe Basinski is in the Hall of Fame for the Buffalo Symphony Orch. Full list of Reliquary on the web site. GV
Ed Martin
1/16/2013 03:30:02 pm
I will research the Buffalo Symphony. Thanks for the lead. I saw Pete Reiser in 1946, his first year back from the War and he stole 34 bases and hit .278. The three prewar years he hit over .300 even after hitting the fence so sadly. His last year as essentially a full time player was in 1947, when he hit over .300 in 122 games. The Dodgers never could fill the left field position satisfactorily while in Brooklyn. 5/8/2014 03:42:57 pm
We speculate if Eddie Basinski, (The Violin), that played out shortstop for the Dodgers during WWII, or perhaps Eddie Miksis, (Miksis can resolve us), that played out minute are usually in.
Brian Savin
1/16/2013 03:34:02 pm
Which memory is most worth $25 for me?
George Vecsey
1/17/2013 12:26:45 am
Brian: There is already a Connecticut guy in the Reliquary -- Dalkowski.
Ed Martin
1/17/2013 07:51:50 am
Cookie Lavagetto--he should be considered for his big play. 8/28/2013 11:19:19 pm
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1/17/2013 12:40:56 am
Wow, talk about having the wind taken out of my sails. I just deleted an indignant comment complaining that Jim Bouton was in the "Reliquary" but Jim Brosnan wasn't except that I'm wrong. Brosnan was inducted in 2007. Does anyone read "The Long Season," or "Pennant Race" anymore?
Brian Savin
1/17/2013 02:36:41 am
Another great memory, Roy! I remember the Sports Illustrated cover about that trade better than any swimsuit issue -- the two of them, with the caption something like, "Homers vs. Hits" and the article devoted to analyzing the worth of homers versus many singles. I don't remember a lot being written there about defense, come to think of it.
Mike C
1/17/2013 06:00:11 am
Bo knows and gets my vote, once I cough up the $25.......an amazing athlete who tried to make it work after the surgery. No Neon Deion, thank goodness.
Ed Martin
1/18/2013 03:39:06 am
For his name alone, Frenchy Bordagaray should be in. Further, he was from California. I recall him as a third base coach for Brooklyn, and doing things like catching pop flies in his hat during batting practice. This quote is from his obit. In the NYT. 1/18/2013 06:20:34 am
Ed
George Vecsey
1/18/2013 06:55:12 am
When Piersall hit his 100th HR, he ran the bases backwards. 1/18/2013 07:08:25 am
George’s piece on the issue of voting for Baseball’s Hall of Fame have drawn many interesting comments and suggestions. However, alternate baseball shrines have a greater appeal to me.
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Andy Tansey
1/19/2013 12:48:15 pm
Yes, re: Stash. Hat's off and sympathies to those who knew him well. I was glad to read the book while he was still with us and, though a Yankees fan - that's right, glad the Cards won a couple of times lately.
I live in Southern California and have been a member of the Baseball Reliquary for a few years now. Wish I would have discovered years earlier. Really enjoy all the events that the Baseball Reliquary puts together with the annual Shrine of the Eternals being the icing on the cake. A friend of mine that lives in Maine became a member last year. From the list of 50 eligible in 2013, I would like to see Don Zimmer, Tony Stone, Steve Bilko & Manny Mota inducted but there are so many.
George Vecsey
1/20/2013 02:53:22 pm
Emma: Nice to hear from you. Hano wrote a lovely piece after Willie Mays' catch in 1954. I wrote about it on the 50th anniversary: 3/19/2013 07:44:28 pm
I also love the National Baseball Hall of Fame because it reminds us how talented those men were. It's a pity we don't have them amongst us anymore... 3/19/2013 07:47:56 pm
Those people deserve to be treated well for what they've done so I think that we should show them some respect. 4/30/2013 12:36:03 am
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