I have received so many emails and calls since the announcement that the New York Times’ sports section will be closed.
It seems like the best thing to do is try to answer many of them at once – and ask for your own reactions and your memories. From my standpoint, this has been coming on for a long time, since people stopped reading newspapers – a terrible trend for swaths of the country that no longer have the information to cope with government and business and health issues. When I see once-great papers like the Louisville Courier-Journal get Gannetized, my heart breaks. The sports sections were particularly vulnerable. While I was still working, valued colleagues, particularly sports columnists, began to be disappeared, sometimes en masse. Fortunately, The New York Times made a lot of good decisions – a web presence, color in the paper, and more valuable news and information about health and safety and cooking. Perhaps the best business decision was to use the sparkling printing plant in College Point, Queens, to print other newspapers. The Times now prints 60 papers, from dailies to weeklies, news and ethnic. That pays some bills around the paper. Since I retired at the end of 2011, the Times has flourished around the country and around the world, using other print plants. However, deadlines had to conform, with available press time, which ultimately meant the Times had to stop covering games -- Mets games, Yankee games, Giants games, Jets games, etc. To its credit, this great paper continued to report and comment about the major issues in sports – brain concussions, how money was made and spent, gender issues, racial issues. Inevitably, the excitement over the “local” teams was lost. I felt the absence of emotion. Readers felt it. Speaking for myself, in retirement I had more time to read the paper – the print version, in a blue bag, in my driveway every morning. My friends in the Times printing plant call it “the daily miracle,” and for me, it is. In recent days, I have been happy to see stars like Linda Greenhouse writing about John Roberts’ Supreme Court, and Michael Kimmelman writing about New York’s perennial albatross, Penn Station and Madison Square Garden. I love to find the great reports from Dan Barry and I love the wit of Vanessa Friedman, writing about style. The Health section every Tuesday sparked my interest in evolution. But now the sports department is going to be disappeared, while promising new jobs for great editors, great reporters. I hope they appreciate Kurt Streeter, whose most recent Sports of the Times column savaged the pro-gambling baseball commissioner and the owner of the A’s, as they prepare for the A’s to vacate Oakland for Las Vegas. Readers feel there is a hole in their lives. I can tell you about my sense of loss of the Sports Department – once a bustling clubhouse of colleagues, specialists, who schmoozed and kibitzed across their specific skills. They formed a team. The Times claims it will find suitable work in the many departments left. My reporter friends are great journalists, who can do anything -- Joe Drape, Jere Longman, John Branch, Ken Belson, Andrew Keh, and so on. In 2004, at the Summer Olympics in Athens, a demonstration broke out, and Juliet Macur went right toward it, getting tear-gassed but coming back with information. Juliet will be covering the Women’s World Cup of soccer in Australia and New Zealand later this month. She can do anything. So can they all. But something will be lost – particularly the presence in a sports setting of specialists like Tyler Kepner, the baseball columnist, who has been writing since he put out his own newspaper as a young kid in a Philadelphia suburb. I hope they can find a regular spot for his voice as he explains the goofy doings in his chosen sport. Meanwhile, the Times has spent a ton of money on a website, The Athletic, which apparently has people everywhere. I have glanced at The Athletic, and I gather it has a few colleagues of mine who used to work in newspapers. But I want to add that a lot of websites have box scores and opinions and transactions. I will continue to seek out columns by my friend Sally Jenkins in the Washington Post, whom I call “The Last Sports Columnist.” (Did you see her recent masterpiece on Martina and Chris?) For my daily fix of soccer and snark, I will continue to read columnist Barney Ronay and savvy reporters in The Guardian. Local NY sports? Newsday and the Post (even though I try not to ever pay anything to the Murdoch clan.) I am sure the byline stars from Sports will prosper in other parts of the paper. They are familiar with the style marshals, the wise old elephants in the office, who make sure the paper looks and reads professional. I always liked to watch the faces of colleagues in the pressbox as we dickered with the home office over a comma or a semi-colon. I appreciate the nostalgia for the Times sports section. Please feel free to share your opinions, your best memories.
Ed Martin
7/11/2023 04:28:07 pm
George Vecsey
GV
7/11/2023 08:07:34 pm
Ed, thank you for the kind words, but I'd like to give a full roster, starting with Dave Anderson, then the Gershwins (as Marty calls Ira and me), and Bill Rhoden, Harvey Araton and Selena Roberts, all with their viewpoints and specialties, and now Kurt Streeter, who occasioally throws in a one-time tennis hopeful's memories of Arthur Ashe, At one point we had five -- and plenty of space and independence and specialties. It was glorious to see what the others would do.
GV
7/11/2023 08:15:30 pm
Oh, jeez, I skipped over Bob Lipsyte, and already had praises planned. Rushing never works, Bob was made columnist in the early 60s and was revolutionary with his seeing sports through social-concern eyes....He went to the barns at the track and wrote about hard times for stable grooms...he wrote about Ali and Vietnam and the Amazing Mets, making it easier for those of us who came after.
Massimo
7/12/2023 08:42:46 am
Dear George,
GV
7/12/2023 08:55:01 am
Herb Steindler
7/23/2023 08:21:34 pm
I'm saddened to learn of the demise of the NYT Sports Department.
Randolph
7/11/2023 05:02:11 pm
George Vecsey and the “daily miracle.”
GV
7/11/2023 08:09:15 pm
Randy: Thanks for the nice words, and also the gardening contact with Margaret. You know her dad was the sports editor who hired me.
Andy Tansey
7/11/2023 05:02:51 pm
I missed the announcement, but I have also been missing the Section in the print version, too. I open the paper and look for it and shake my head wondering what's wrong. Maybe I've been looking in the wrong place. I won't look for it any more.
GV
7/11/2023 08:12:11 pm
Andy, it sounds a little vague...I just read the comments online after the NYT's announcement. I'd swear, in the first 100 comments there was not one positive aboiut the Athletic. Sounds like an online version of TV screamers. All I know is, I looked at something called The Pulse and kept seeing the word "dinger." Very eloquent
Roy Edelsack
7/11/2023 05:04:10 pm
My grandfather taught me that The Times was truly “the newspaper of record. Shipping news, Sunday baseball stats, box scores, national and international weather, etc. But after 70 years of readership I realize I don’t know what the Times is or is trying to be. I guess under the concept that data is easily found elsewhere on the web, the Times is now a mishmash of news, puzzles, recipes, and consumer reports. Other than opinion and the Book Review, there’s little left for me. Outsourcing the Sports Department wasn’t unexpected but it’s close to the last straw.
GV
7/12/2023 08:46:28 am
Roy, I understand what you are saying but I do feel the NYT has probably never been better at using its assets to cover the main stories -- Ukraine, climate, and other menaces right here at home.
bruce
7/11/2023 05:06:08 pm
george,
Marty Appel
7/11/2023 05:09:55 pm
You are right about NY Post still have a decent sports section with grownups writing for them. We swallow hard with a Murdoch publication, but only read the back half. My heart aches for the Times sports reporters, editors, columnists who brought much enlightenment to the toy section of the paper. I go back to working with Arthur Daley and Jim Suite, and of course Red and Dave and the Gershwins - George and Ira. Even the WaPost covered the story of the demise better than the Times did on this development.
Marty Appel
7/11/2023 05:15:55 pm
Jim Tuite, not suite! (spellcheck fumble)
John McDermott
7/11/2023 05:22:26 pm
I can only say that every time I clicked on a sports story on the Times website and was immediately confronted with a secondary pay wall and a request to subscribe to something called The Athletic to read what I presumed was content already covered by my Times subscription, it pissed me off. I vowed never to subscribe to The Athletic. It seems the Times wants subscribers, and now staffers, to pay for its bad business decision. And now they compound a bad decision by shutting down what was, frankly, an American institution, the Times sports pages. When I think of their past coverage of great events-baseball, football, soccer, Olympics-and all the great Times journalists and photographers, the thought of getting sub-contracted content from The Athletic(stories) and Getty Images(photos) makes me ill. The Times should be better than that and it has let us all down. This is a pure business decision by accountants and consultants, not by people who understand and care about journalism.
bruce
7/11/2023 05:37:06 pm
john,
Ed
7/11/2023 10:22:31 pm
John, and GV covering soccer,when I’m not sure any U.S. newspaper did, certainly not with his quality, perhaps a hotspot like St. Louis. 7/11/2023 05:26:03 pm
The suicide watch for newspapers goes on. Each corporate decision to provide less and less for the reader just means fewer and fewer readers.
GV
7/12/2023 08:49:52 am
John, all I can say is, ugh. As a loyal Newsday alum, I remember trying to match news reporting with the late, great New York Newsday plus the streetwise Daily News of the '70's, Got beaten like a drum on many a cityside story. Then I went back to Sports and competed with Sandler's sports dept, plus the Daily News and the Post. Great days. Be well.
John McDermott
7/11/2023 05:31:54 pm
It's no secret that newspapers in the USA are in deep shit. The venerable San Diego Tribune just became the property of some company called Alden Global Capital, a hedge fund whose main interest is clearly not journalism. The Times, while diminished, in my opinion, remains one of the few great American newspapers.
Altenir Silva
7/11/2023 06:36:06 pm
Dear George: Sad news. I will always love the New York Times sports section because that's where I met you.
Jean Bartelt
7/11/2023 08:03:18 pm
I had two comments wiped out but the main idea is, if you’re not going to games in person and all you have is tv and sports desks, something’s lost. The thrill of being out there with the crowd and the hawking of the vendors or the atmosphere, you lose something . Tv sports desks updates can miss the thrill of writers, and the languages enrich you and help you to get to the inside meaning. Sports writers allow people to hear the stories. Thank you for your columns.
Phyllis Rosenthal
7/11/2023 08:45:33 pm
We saw it coming. We hardly knew there was a Mets team in the paper fora long time. It is terrible that the only good sports section is in the unmentionable RAG. It is probably the death knell for our home delivery of the Times.
Joshua Rubin
7/11/2023 09:44:23 pm
As my dad will tell you, i basically learned to read and do math with the standings and box scores in the Times sports section. And i was a religious reader ever since. So many great writers, our gracious host included. The standings and box scores disappeared a while ago. It's really sad for me to see the section go but it was kind of a mercy killing. You would never have known the Knicks were in the playoffs this year if you depended on Times coverage. 7/17/2023 09:33:44 am
I remember when my wife complained that all Josh read was the NYT sports page. Josh was about 3+ and I said "so what!", at least he is reading the paper.
Josh Rubin
7/17/2023 04:30:43 pm
I get younger in that story with every telling, but I'll take it.
EdMartin
7/11/2023 10:34:50 pm
https://montrealgazette.com/
bruce
7/11/2023 10:47:42 pm
ed,
harvey Hammer
7/11/2023 10:42:28 pm
the Times Sports pages in times past were sensational.
bruce
7/11/2023 10:51:03 pm
harvey,
GV
7/12/2023 08:59:50 am
Dear Harvey: I am glad you are okay with the Athletic. I'm glad people are reading it, and that journalists are pecking away at their keyboards. You and I can both remember with the Daily News and Mirror were on the news-stands at 10 o"clock at night -- and we could see what Mickey, Willie and the Duke had done.
Alan D Levine
7/12/2023 12:00:43 am
I saw this coming for some time now. It's really all part of the trend that makes me want to tell the Sulzburgers to remove "New York" from the masthead. No beat writers for any local teams. Referring to "Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York City" rather than "Mayor Eric Adams," , dropping the TV listings, etc. A couple of years ago, a federal judge sitting in Central Islip was killed in a hit and run accident in Florida. The story was covered in all NY area dailies, the Washington Post, and world wide--but not in the Times. A film is listed as being "in theaters" rather than saying what theater it's playing in. Yes, it's an important paper still but if I want to know what's happening in my city I've got to read the Daily News.
GV
7/12/2023 09:11:21 am
Alan, I see your point about the NYT fading out the "NY" part. My pet peeve is when the NYT refers to somebody "from Queens." What????
bruce
7/12/2023 10:15:03 am
george,
Alan D Levine
7/15/2023 08:16:49 pm
What about when the Times reports that George Santos represents "Queens and Long Island"? Where do they think Queens is situated?
Randolph
7/12/2023 06:00:45 am
The New York Times Guild is the union that represents journalists at the New York Times. The Athletic is nonunion.
Michelangelo
7/13/2023 07:25:01 am
Caro Giorgio
Joshua Rubin
7/14/2023 12:48:00 pm
A friend shared this on fb. I thought this group would want to see it. Our gracious host is quoted and feted nicely.
Ed
7/14/2023 01:00:31 pm
Thanks Josh, adds a nice note. As Charles Aznavour sang, “Ah yes, I remember it well.”
Alan D Levine
7/15/2023 08:14:04 pm
It was Maurice Chevalier who sang that song, with Hermione Gingold, in "Gigi."
Ed
7/15/2023 10:42:30 pm
Alan, you are right, of course. Charles Aznevour sang “Happy Anniversary” and we heard him in Montreal on our anniversary.
Ed Martin
7/15/2023 01:38:37 pm
There is no truth to the rumor George “covered” this.
bruce
7/15/2023 02:48:51 pm
ed,
bruce
7/15/2023 09:42:29 pm
alan
Alan D Levine
7/15/2023 10:07:29 pm
I've passed by but I haven't been inside.
bruce
7/15/2023 10:17:38 pm
alan, 7/17/2023 11:34:50 am
As the former owner of a family owned retail appliance store of Manhattan's Upper West Side, I'm familiar with when a long standing business ends. RCI/Radio Clinic had been a family owned business for eighty years. Stores of this type that excel in customer service are rapidly disappearing, much to the detriment of the neighborhood.
bruce
7/17/2023 12:28:23 pm
alan,
bruce
7/17/2023 02:44:13 pm
have to fire my editor for his piss poor editing job in my last posting
martin lager
7/21/2023 03:16:19 pm
I grew up in a NY Times household and the sports section was the first part of the paper i learnt to read. My Mom grew up near Yankee Stadium so of course we were a Yankee household even though Shea Stadium was a fifteen minute LIRR ride from the Island. (The Mirror came into house when ever Mom's father visited).
GV
7/23/2023 06:48:07 pm
Martin: Nice to hear from you....you know those old days. I wish papers had more flexible deadlines, but with the NYT a world-wide entity, the days of making box scores of night games, etc., are long gone. Comments are closed.
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